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Peter Bergen, CNN National Security Adviser said that Osama Bin Ladin “still matters” because his name is a rallying point for Al Qaeda and its rather medieval ideology of wanting to bring the world back to the 7th century.
Thus Bergen cites a rather vague ideological movement called “Bin Ladism.” We agree except that a person cannot be an ideology. Marxism is an ideology because Karl Marx wrote something reasonably rational called “The Communist Manifesto” along with Friedrich Engels. It was a manifesto that was radical and published at the right historical period when most of the oppressed people of the world then were either hungry or desperate. It is however doubtful if Obama Bin Ladin can match that. Neither does he make make great T-shirt material like Che Guevara who had the guts – at least – to fight and die like a man instead of issuing threatening videos in some obscure cave probably in Pakistan.
No, “Binladism” will not be a lasting legacy, unless one means the same legacy that Charles Manson is probably going to leave. Osama Bin Ladin is NOTHING but a man who suffers from a psychological disorder because he has declared his Al Qaeda crusade as THE Islamic crusade which is definitely something that most Muslims in the world living in the 21st century do not agree with. Osama Bin Ladin only matters to those who suffer from the same insanity he is suffering from. Most Muslims do not wish to live in another century and are rather in touch with reality. Legacy? Duh? The murders committed in September 11, 2001 can hardly be called a “legacy”. To call anything a “legacy” implies “leaving behind something good”. Bin Ladin can die today and history will remember him for what he was (and still is) – a crazy murderer. Al Queda has no ideology to speak of, except some vague concept of a world LITERALLY based on a book allegedly written in the 7th century. Marxism, at least has some good points, “Bin Ladism” has nothing good. Watching a film like “Back to the Future” would be more comprehensible than listening to Osama Bin Ladin’s latest blabber.
Peter Bergen says that it’s important that Osama Bin Ladin be caught and brought to justice and we agree. It would however seem more dramatic for him to use his own pistol and put an end to his earthly existence and enjoy the maidens in the paradise of his imagination. Should he be killed however, that certainly would be better because it would show the world that even legends die. More so, it would certainly trigger a leadership crisis within Al Qaeda which would mean that fanatical mad group would be further divided into several sub-groups which will certainly differ in positions from the legality of naming a Teddy Bear Mohammed to whether children should be child brides. Osama Bin Ladin matters only because he does affect the national security of the America and other countries – including Muslim ones. His being hidden somewhere, probably in Pakistan, perhaps should encourage the US State Department to get tougher towards this country – but not to invade it because that would be another idiotic decision. The latest CNN reports on Afghanistan does show that though there is “the world jihadist movement”,it certainly does not have any definite ideology. The leaders are bound to kill each other over non-fundamental points. The people of Afghanistan, for instance, have obviously chosen individual sovereignty over the rule of the Taliban. On the other hand , even the pro-jihadist Taliban do have fundamental disagreements with Al Qaeda and Bin Ladin’s fruitcake cohorts.
Written by Cynthia Syncip
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29 Comments
September 15, 2009 at 2:14 pm
Haha to ‘fruitcake cohorts’…so true !!!!
September 16, 2009 at 3:59 pm
This is really a cute picture, but I’m sorry he is not “laker material”. It’s a hilarious article but true.
Is this written by Bugsey from Multiply.com? She is a very entertaining writer. Hope we see more of her here.
September 16, 2009 at 4:17 pm
Yes, this amazing post is from Bugsey and we’re lucky enough to have her write for us !!!. She’s just really terrific at posting these kinds of posts…I can’t stop laughing whenever I read them and they make me think and ponder a lot too as there’s so much truth to them.
I agree the laker’s T-shirt photo is just too funny to be true. ha ha ha
September 16, 2009 at 5:38 pm
This term “Bin Ladism” demonstrates the ignorance of its creator. Bin Ladin has not been spewing a new ideology. He has simply been quoting and emulating an Arabian megalomaniacal sexual pervert living in the seventh century. The only difference between Bin Ladin and most Islamists is that Bin Ladin does not hide desire to destroy then subjugate the Free World.
September 16, 2009 at 7:47 pm
@Charles – I read your website and I personally agree with you. But admittedly too, there are Islamics who mind their own business, love beer, and aren’t exactly keen on world domination. Basically however, I agree about 90 percent with your website but let’s keep that our secret okay? I have no idea if Peter Bergen is ignorant or not, but “binladism” as an ideology, doesn’t pass as valid “political thought”. I can imagine the emails you get for coming up with a website like yours btw…
September 16, 2009 at 8:25 pm
Ok Charles, I admit I didn’t like your comment at all…I haven’t been to your website so I don’t know what you’re all about…but your post just seemed to defend Bin Ladin and I didn’t like that…I don’t agree with the ‘Binladism’ ideology either but that doesn’t make Peter Bergen an ‘ignorant’ guy. It’s just his own opinion. don’t attack people you don’t even understand. Peter Bergen does SO MUCH as a reporter…puts his life on the line all the time to bring us stories…I agree more with the author of that post (Binladism/debugs1) than your way of putting it.
I don’t think you’re on Bin Ladin’s side, but your way of writing is just very ambiguous.
This said: WELCOME to our site, we just love to hear everyon’s point of view !!! do come back
September 18, 2009 at 5:58 pm
In my comment, I stated, “He (Bin Laden) has simply been quoting and emulating an Arabian megalomaniacal sexual pervert living in the seventh century.” Is that not a clear demonstration that Bin Laden has not created his own ideology but simply continued the pattern established by the creator of Islam, Mohamad ibn Abdullah (May he burn in Hell forever)?
Regarding your statement, “I don’t think you’re on Bin Ladin’s side, but your way of writing is just very ambiguous”, I do not know what else I could have done to indicate my total opposition to Islam short of posting a video clip of myself defecating on a Koran. I hope that will not be necessary despite the fact I read the Koran for its diarrhetic properties and make use of it as toilet paper.
September 18, 2009 at 6:41 pm
Well spot the sarcasm, honey.
You sound like you just loooove Bin Ladin don’t you ??? You hate them so much that you in fact love them…no ??
I think it’s okay to not agree with radical muslims but to disrespect the whole of the muslim religion is going to far…I find it disrespectful that you said you use the Koran as toilet paper. I mean…you’re supposed to be against radical hateful views but you’re doing the exact same thing the hateful radicals do…spread hate and intolerance. There are some very good and descent muslims who read the Koran and would be highly offended at your post.
I still stand on what I said: you love radical muslims…
…again spot the sarcasm
September 18, 2009 at 11:59 pm
I hate and have no tolerance for totalitarianism in all its forms: fascism, Marxism and Islam. I never claimed “to be against radical hateful views”. The violence committed by jihadis is not radical, at least in Islamic terms. Wife-beaters, suicide bombers, vandalizers of non-Mohamadan structures, hijackers and other types of savages are simply following the precedents set down by Mohamad (May he burn in Hell forever). As for the alleged very good and descent Mohamadans who read the Koran and would be highly offended”, they definitely lack decency if they are reading the Koran and not outraged by all the endorsements of evil contained inside it.
September 19, 2009 at 12:21 pm
@Charles and Journalistic Adventure
Let’s simplify it this way and you both have the right not to agree.
Jesus — didn’t marry (unless we share Dan’s Brown imagination); loved kids but didn’t even think of marrying one of them; didn’t kill anyone; didn’t advise anyone to murder anyone; defended a woman or two from getting stoned to death because of adultery; saved lives, healed people, gave his life for all (if we believe the gospel), didn’t form an army; commanded us to love even our enemies.
Moe – married more than one woman, had this “thing” about Aisha who was a child and married her too; gave pretty sweet advise about wife-beating; formed an army; advised his followers to defend themselves from “pesky” Jews and infidels, did not give his life but rather took a couple of utterly useless lives anyway (so, maybe we shouldn’t blame him too much?), killed his enemies.
Now, looking at both the founders of Christianity and Islam, I can SEE that there’s a BETTER person here (ok.. the funny part is he happens to be a Jew). That’s all I can say, but I think my drift is clear (I hope) and pretty respectful. I wouldn’t want to offend any fanatic Christians and Islamics. The fanatic Jews (if any) are too ridiculed in Israel to be sensitive anyway about anything these days… maybe it’s time they should be sensitive
September 19, 2009 at 1:11 pm
I agree with debugs1 who shed a lot of light on this topic…really removed a lot of the confusion…and I thank her/you…however I think that the statement about using the Kuran as toilet paper went too far…by speaking like this, they’ll never see your viewpoint and will never want to see your side of things…I don’t know…but it’s true FACTS show that there is a HUGE difference between Jesus and Mohammed…FACTS I say…so that’s not me being on one side or the other…FACTS…yet those facts don’t give us the right to hate the other side and degrade the book they read and believe in…even if we don’t think it’s as ‘holy’ as the Bible…
September 19, 2009 at 12:55 am
Wait a second…wait…why did you not include ‘christians’ in your list of extremists?
The Bible (Old Testament especially) is also full of violence, my friend.
Christians have killed in the name of God for centuries. Colonization, the massacre of Native Indians, the Holocaust and more were made in the name of the ‘Christian’ God. Christians wanted to ‘convert and evangelise’ those pagans, after all, so just they killed the ‘evil’…what about the catholic church and the millions upon millions of people they killed just because people did not believe like them…
Today though, most Christians aren’t killers…
You guessed it right…calling yourself a christian and carrying a Bible doesn’t make you a christian.
Jesus didn’t kill, Jesus didn’t hate, Jesus didn’t spread hate theories around and he certainly didn’t tell his followers to ‘bomb’ everyone who didn’t adhere to his teachings.
Mohamed did in fact tell his followers to commit a lot of hateful acts so I need to recognize this, however you’d be a fool to think that 100% of muslims interpret his teachings litterally. Just like christians today do not interpret and apply the Old Testament’s laws (very violent indeed), LOADS of muslims also do not adhere to extremists views.
Living in London, one of the most muslim places you’ll ever see, and having interacted/and interacting with muslims on a daily basis, I can tell you that a lot of them are the nicest people you’ll find. Very respectful and peaceful.
So don’t put everyone in the same basket…
Just like you can’t put all christians in the same basket, so you can’t put all muslims in the same basket.
I have some very god friends who are muslims and they are just the nicest people you will meet…and YES they read the Kuran…
Do I agree with everything that’s in the Koran ?
NO
But the decent and adult way is to agree to disagree.
Yes a lot of muslim women are subjected to a lot of abuse and lack of freedoms, but is this the case for them all ?…certainly not…
Like Anderson Cooper would say…Keeping YOU honest.
Anderson Cooper The Journalist
September 20, 2009 at 9:29 pm
Journalisticadventure, Christians did not organize and carry out the holocaust; a group of anti-Christian totalitarians, the Nazis, did so. Murder and enslavement of non-Christians has no basis in Christ’s teachings.
In contrast, Mohamadans did conquer, colonize, enslave, murder and commit other crimes as directed by Mohamad (May he burn in Hell forever) and his successors. Your typical leftist attempt at conflation of Islam and Christianity has no base in the facts.
Have you ever even read the Koran? If not, why not? Are you afraid of discovering the true beliefs of those Mohamadans with whom you interact? Do you not want to face the miserable fate which awaits you if the Islamists continue to seize control of London? For those claiming to disagree with some Koranic contents, the second verse of the second chapter clearly states that NO ONE is allowed to challenge any verse of Mo’s (MHBHF) book. Therefore, they are either lying to you or too cowardly to admit that they have rejected Islam out of fear of execution for their apostasy.
If you have read the Koran, why should a civilized human not want to use it as toilet paper? Which portions did you like: advocacy of wife-beating plus murder, robbery and persecution of any non-followers of Mo (MHBHF) or absurd statements contradicting scientific laws or some other contents?
September 21, 2009 at 8:24 am
I know that full well. What I am trying to say is that Hitler passed as a ‘christian/catholic’ in those days and killed in the name of his ideals. Of course, this is very ungodly and unchristian like and he certainly was NO christian. Same for colonization, slavery, mass murder/genocide of Native Indians…all done in the name of ‘christian’ ideals…pagans needed to see the light and convert to christianity. There were even silly theories that black people were from the ‘devil’ since the color black in the Bible refers to the ‘devil’ or ‘Satan’…those killers had huge churches, were reading the Bible, seemed like christians…outwardly at least. Everyone who has read the Bible knows that in fact, these killers were themselves devilish…and that Christ would never condone their behavior.
You see…this is the same with what’s going on inside the Muslim community today…the mainstream muslims are AGAINTS the extremist muslim teachings…just like those christians were killing in the name of God but weren’t true christians, it is believed in the muslim community (and this does not come from my own opinion but from the muslim community) that the extremist/killing muslims are in fact not true muslims.
Believe it or not, but most muslims think of their religion as being peaceful.
You quote parts of the Koran…well the argument is that the Bible ALSO has a lot of extremists views in it, especially in the Torah/Old Testament…God commanded the children of Israel/hebrews/descendants of Abraham to eradicate/wipe out entire nations/groups of people off the earth because they were ‘unholy’…so you see, as a christian who reads the Bible, you seem ‘hypocritical’ with your statements againts Islam, that’s the argument out there.
Ok now those are the ARGUMENTS out there, not my own personal opinion.
My own personal opinion is this:
I don’t agree with the Koran. I don’t think that most muslims take its teachings literally. Those who do are called extremists and some agree with them, some don’t. I don’t agree with them, of course. I also think that by just comparing the New Testament (Jesus teachings) and Mohammed’s, you see a world of difference. What about the Old Testament/Torah ? I don’t understand it but it doesn’t apply anymore to today since the New Testament laws replaced it. Most of it was given before Jesus Christ came and made all things new, we live under ‘grace’ and not ‘punishment’. My point is this…religion without love, grace and truth is not religion at all…therefore extremists muslims are not a religion but a category all of their own…does this mean I agree with the Koran ? NO Does this mean I worship the Koran ??? NO
About your other question:
I respect all writings…I have contempt for ‘Mein Kampf’ but it’s not for me to judge it, only God can do that. Does this mean I agree with it, NO. But it’s not my job to judge it.
Comparing the Koran and ‘Mein Kampf’…you can’t compare the two…yes the Koran has a lot of verses on ‘killing’ but it also has verses about peace…and it a book about a whole religion that myriads of people STILL follow today OPENLY. When it comes to ‘Mein Kampf’ absolutely no one claims following that book (except hidden nazis wakos who are not in the open or not a lot in numbers, not as many as muslims).
So even if I don’t agree with the Koran, just by knowing that millions upon millions (1.2 billion to be exact) of people read it today and worship it, I will be diplomatic in the way I talk about it even if I don’t agree with it. Just because many of my neighbors are nice people and muslims and do read this book. They don’t adhere to extremists views just like many christians don’t adhere to the extremists views in the Torah…does that make the Koran equal to the Bible? My personal opinion? No. The Bible was not inspired by someone as flawed as Mohammed. Truth is Truth.
But knowing that the next person, who doesn’t know that yet or has a different take on it, but is still a decent person, I will respect…not because I agree with it but because I RESPECT the person as a human being.
As far as all those extremists who killed so many in the name of ‘Allah’?
Patience my friend. God’s judgment day is near.
God will judge all…including the ones who kill millions of children around the world. All the rapists, all the murderers, all the greedy ones who leave millions upon millions starving…don’t think this will go unpunished.
September 20, 2009 at 9:51 pm
Journalisticadventure, would you object to someone defiling “Mein Kempf” or “The Communist Manifesto”? Why or why not?
September 21, 2009 at 8:24 am
see my answer above
September 21, 2009 at 12:58 pm
By the way, Charles…one of our writers here at ACTJ is a muslim girl…and she writes for this site and will write most of our articles about Anderson Cooper. She is a very intelligent person and she is not an extremist. She reads the Koran/Kuran. Now…what should I tell her after your comment? “You’re fired because you read the Koran” ? What about tolerance ? Is she an extremist just because she reads the Kuran and is a muslim ?
Answer this…and again this doesnt’t mean I agree with extremists muslims AT ALL, I dont agree with them but I leave it to God to judge them, just like God will judge ALL PEOPLE for their wrongdoings.
September 21, 2009 at 11:57 am
Jesus of Nazareth who was a Jew did not agree with everything in the Torah, particularly the violent writings.
In fairness however to the Jews, it becomes pretty apparent that all they want is to mind their own business. If I were living in Sderot, for instance, and had 15 seconds to run from the missiles, I would do everything to protect my family and my country.
To understand the Torah, one should see it in the light of Israeli history. NOW, however you only see the ultra-orthrodox Jews throwing stones at kids who whistle on the Sabbath. I’d say that’s vast civilized improvement. I also do not see animal sacrifices going on in Israel or synagogues.
I think that all religions should go through a “reformation” much like Christianity did. Judaism has modernized. It is time we live in the 21st century. Shalom!
And Happy New Year to all Jews
September 22, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Journalisticadventure, your Mohamadan employee is not an extremist for reading the Koran. She is just conforming to what Mohamad (MHBHF) ordered his she-eople to do. Has she has strayed into un-Islamic activities like befriending infidels, repairing vandalized churches or synagogues, protesting against terrorism, listening to music or viewing works of art like sculptures or portraits? If so, then she would be a radical Mohamadan.
Anyone who employs or does business with Mohamadans is funding Islamists. Mohamadans are required to donate (called “zakat”) to mosques. Those funds go to support families of suicide bombers and other forms of jihad against the Free World.
September 23, 2009 at 9:12 pm
Seriously, I’m not going to even address this, what you’re saying is just completely ridiculous…you are basically saying that I fund suicide bombers. How ridiculous…someone qualified to write articles and getting paid for it DOES NOT fund terrorism, wake up call…you don’t even know what she’ll do with the money…probably buy OUR western clothes, perfumes and food…thus funding capitalism more than anything else…
what’s your religion, btw ?
September 23, 2009 at 9:18 pm
Sorry, the comment above is not by George, it’s me Journalistic Adventure…My account info somehow got mixed up with his…weird !!! It’s probably due to the fact that I opened an account for him but still…it should not have mixed up the accounts…weird…WP never ceases to amaze me with its annoyance.
September 23, 2009 at 9:19 pm
BTW, I call mysels the News Machine now, but it’s me Journalistic Adventure
September 25, 2009 at 5:56 pm
J.A./George/News Machine or whatever you are calling yourself today, you think “someone qualified to write articles and getting paid for it DOES NOT fund terrorism”? That is beyond ridiculous! You think the savages writing for the websites of Al Kaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas and other jihadis are not funding terrorism, especially when they solicit donations (zakat) from Mohamadans around the world?
About your Mohamadan employee’s spending habits, ask yourself which is more believable:
1. She performs one of the five required actions (called “pillars”) in giving a portion of her income to compensate family members of those who died while involved in the jihad against the Free World.
2. She spends money on Western clothes or perfumes in violation of Islamic laws restricting what a women is allowed to wear.
You stated, “You don’t even know what she’ll do with the money.” The fact is that neither do you.
As for my beliefs, my philosophy is a combination of Deism and Objectivism.
September 28, 2009 at 5:36 pm
Ha ha ha…thanks for making laugh so bad !!!
Exactly…you stated yourself that we don’t know what she does with the money…neither do I and neither do you.
The fact that you are insulting someone working here by saying she funds terrorism and the fact that you are accusing me of funding terrorism is enough. I do not want you on this site ever again, do you understand ?
I will not be insulted by someone as ignorant and full of extremist beliefs as you
September 28, 2009 at 6:03 pm
I find your tone with me very disrespectful. I don’t go on your blog and start dissing you and tell you things that are simple not true. I didn’t do anything to you, go take your anger out on someone else. Democracy and freedom is not about spreading hate and lies, if this what you do, fine, not here.
September 25, 2009 at 6:13 pm
@Charles, Objectivism as in… “Who is John Galt”? Get the drift? I believe in that too, tho’ not as a religion
Hey did you hear Netanyahu’s speech? I loved it.. really.. his point was it is a war between the civilized world and people who want to regress to the 9th century. I loved the way he said that we can go forward and find cures in medicine and science to make this a better world or we can go back to the 9th century when everyone thought the world was flat. You should HEAR it… I was totally impressed!
September 25, 2009 at 8:54 pm
Cynthia,
I have read multiple writings by Ayn Rand. I consider it as one component of my philosophy, not my religion. I do not share her atheism.
About Netanyahu, I applauded his blunt denunciation of Ahmadine-whack-job and his ilk. I wonder if we could draft him for the next presidential election. I know that he was born in Philadelphia but presumably renounced his American citizenship since then. At least he could donate one of his testicles to that eunuch occupying the While House.
September 25, 2009 at 9:22 pm
Hey Charles, my feeling exactly! Did you see how someone acted like a man and someone else didn’t..until NOW, of course when the mad man from Iran has been discovered to have ..aha!.. hidden nuclear projects located in.. hello.. “some holy city” lol!
I think the UN has no reason to exist… not after the oil for food scandal… besides, the UN Human Rights commitee seemed to have been hijacked by totally insane people. What next? We can have the North Korean president talk on “human rights”! Pathetic but hilarious in a sad sense.
I also am not an atheist tho’ I admire Ayn Rand and Pat Condell (at times anyway)
September 25, 2009 at 11:16 pm
The “United Nations” is an oxymoron. Most members just use the organization as a platform to bash capitalism, representative democracy, Israel and the USA. There is nothing all members share in common other than the same planet.
Personally, I wish the USA and the rest of the Free world would quit the UN. The UN would decline to total irrelevancy in a matter of weeks.